The FAA plays Catch-up with other airliners sporting the Conductive Helical Stiffener wire in the LP Oxygen Hoses
 

From: phoebus@iinet.net.au [mailto:phoebus@iinet.net.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2014 1:50 AM
To: Rex Stanners
Cc: Paul
Subject: Re: MH370 theory (in practice)

This FAA AD came out today (see attached copy). The fix is very quietly "IN"

Looks like the problem is widespread. I'd maybe go so far as saying that the FAA/ NTSB/ EASA etc are seeing much the same as I am in my MH370 theorising...... i.e. that a flight deck oxygen flare fire kicked off the MH370 scenario.

John Sampson

SUMMARY: We are adopting a new airworthiness directive (AD) for certain The Boeing Company 

Model 707 airplanes, Model 720 and 720B series airplanes, Model 727 airplanes, and Model 737-

100, -200, and -200C series airplanes. This AD was prompted by a report of a fire that originated near 

the first officer's area and caused extensive damage to the flight deck on a different airplane model. 

This AD requires replacing the low-pressure oxygen hoses with non-conductive low-pressure oxygen 

hoses in the flight compartment. We are issuing this AD to prevent electrical current from 

inadvertently passing through an internal, anti-collapse spring of the low-pressure oxygen hose, 

which can cause the low-pressure oxygen hose to melt or burn, leading to an oxygen-fed fire and/or 

smoke in the flight deck

DATES: This AD is effective September 23, 2014. 

----- Original Message -----

To:

"Rex Stanners" <rex@rsaeroco.nz>

Cc:

"Paul" <paul_howard @iinet.net.au>

Sent:

Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:19:47 +0800

Subject:

Re: MH370 theory

 Rex

Feel free to post the link on airliners.net. ( tinyurl.com/or9bzf2)

It may stir up some interest. I always find that interest foments and generates further info and ideas. The other plus (of course) is that any coverage on airliners.net might make Pprune look like the emasculated "newbie site" that it has become.

The link  that purports to be a letter to Daina Weeks (victim's husband) was never sent. I had afterthoughts about sending it inasmuch as it would be upsetting for her. 

If I do find anything further, I will update that same link ( tinyurl.com/or9bzf2 ). In fact I recall doing so yesterday.

It may be the Malaysian Transportation Accident Bureau that has the best chance of uncovering the facts of 9M-MRO's actual mod state on the oxygen low-press lines front. 

I still believe that the Egyptair accident should have been a real "heads up" for all concerned with the 777 for what might happen in an airborne variant of that same scenario. It's hard to imagine a more horrific happenstance (be it a 777 / A350 / 787 / A380 or whatever).The Orion  A9-300 oxygen fire (as a quite destructive ramp fire) was caused by misplaced lubricants. It totally burnt out the flight-deck. I can't imagine the same level of destruction occurring airborne as there is always a focused blowtorch effect that (together with the pressn differential) quite quickly causes depressurization and exhausts the oxygen enriched atmosphere / snuffs the flare-fire. I can well imagine that there could be a quite flyable flight-deck remaining, but for obvious reasons no-one left to fly it - and a locked cockpit door to boot. Overall, just another permutation of that Helios 737 accident and its "ghost flight". Oxygen flare fires quickly reach a thermal peak and then snuff as the bottles are drained - all in a very few seconds. Couple all that with the very selective disabling of some systems due to the heat-peak vulnerability of distorting cockpit plastics (pushbuttons, CB's, screens and the like) and the very capable active FCS can take that airplane (or any other modern airframe) to all sorts of quite distant places no-one ever imagined as their watery or land-grave. There's not an interceptor available (as in the Helios case) to follow a long-haul airplane to its ultimate watery grave.That Egyptair accident should have generated real and abiding concerns. However it never ever did - and so here we are today, left wondering.... quite likely forever ... and leaving this threat unconsidered in its true light.

regards

John Sampson

----- Original Message -----

From:

"Rex Stanners" <rex@rsaero.co.nz>

To:

"John Sampson" <phoebus@iinet.net.au>

Cc:

<paul_howard @iinet.net.au>

Sent:

Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:13:19 +1200

Subject:  Re: MH370 theory

Wow, that was quick for you to reply John!

This has really sparked my interest. I'll make some enquiries through my old mates at Air NZ as to why there are two ADs and SBs about the same thing.

It's interesting what you are saying about Pprune. I used to read them quite a lot, especially when I was away from home on contract work and there was nothing on the hotel TV! But I haven't been back for a while. Airliners.net might be more tolerant of your views.

I'll let you know if I find out anything interesting about the B777 Ads.

Regards,

Rex Stanners

On 19 August 2014 16:48, <phoebus@iinet.net.au> wrote:

 Rex

I wrote that the FAA Airworthiness Directive was promulgated on 16 Apr 2014 because that was the "with effect" date on it mandating the earlier Boeing Service Bulletin. I did ask on Pprune whether anybody was aware that any prior action beyond an early 2012 "Inspect and Report" SB went out (or were aware of any Alert SB). That post lasted about 30 minutes before it was deleted by the new "Masters of Pprune" and that was around two days before I got banned permanently

My question should more appropriately be whether 9M-MRO had the non-conductive helically wound reinforcing stiffener wire in the  low pressure oxygen concertina hoses (or not?) As you'd be aware Rex, some non-US airlines just never get around to implementing these SB's, whether or not they are FAA mandated (but put them off until the next major service).

I'd agree that my postulations are nothing more than speculative theories that seem to fit the bill in most (if not all) respects - particularly in regard to the mysteries that in some people's (or even general) opinion - point directly to unlawful interference or pilot suicide. In my flight safety pursuits of logical explanations, I've rarely been unable to find a viable alternative explanation for what seemed to be a mystery.... or at least prima facie inexplicable.

 Of greater interest however is the rabid response of the new order of Pprune Moderators in erasing long-standing members of Pprune for posting such theories and thus purposefully eradicating the think-tank environment that used to prevail quite healthily under Danny Fynne (original owner Capt Pprune). Whereas Danny would rarely ban a poster, even for good cause, he'd always annotate the offending post or explain why ("prior warning disregarded" etc). The modus operandi is now to simply  and quietly "rub out" the offender. When you look more closely into who is operating Pprune (and why and how), it is quite plain that that company's proxy censorship is on behalf of the actual covert website owners (Boeing, Airbus et al).... and done to their rules and strict guidelines. They religiously expunge anything derogatory or derisive or critical of the manufacturers.... in particular any explanations that might lead down the path of litigation by victims' families.

I doubt that the truth will ever be known, so having said my piece, I'm not proposing to spruik any further on the topic - beyond saying that the MH pilots do deserve the benefit of the doubt. I'd be willing to bet they won't get it.

regards

John Sampson

(alias theShadow/ Unctuous/ Runcible/ Belgique /DaggerDirk / etc etc - but no more). Pprune joiner in 1997